What is a nudge?
A nudge is a small signal that tells you where to go, who to talk to or what to do next. Jason Brown says it can show up as a whisper when you wake up, an idea in the shower, or a person you think of who then calls you. Some cultures call these synchronicities or omens. Others call it luck. Jason calls them nudges.
I met Jason last summer through our friend Curran. We went on a bike ride and a walk, and he told me about following nudges. It sounded a little odd in the moment. The more I thought about it, the more it fit my own life.
Jason has followed nudges for years and has gone deep on them in the last two. He says the more inner work he did, the louder the nudges got. Now he can often feel the answer in his body when it's clear. Even our walk came from one. Curran texted him that he was out with me, and Jason dropped in.
How do you start to notice your intuition?
For Jason, it started with breathwork. He went to an hour-long session with a practitioner named Jen Mansell, and his body started moving with energy. At the same time, new ideas came in and he saw his problems in a new light.
The second time, at Curran's event, everyone wrote their downloads on Post-it notes. Jason still has his. One of them said "welcome back to myself." He saw that these whispers had been there his whole life. The answers he got that day were better than anything his thinking brain had come up with in weeks.
He didn't trust it fully at first. So he did what breathwork teachers suggest. He journaled the downloads and put them into practice, and things sped up. He'd think of someone during a session, then see them within minutes or hours, or they'd call him out of the blue. Each time, he got a bit more confident that this was more than chance.
Why doesn't hitting your goals feel better for longer?
The good feeling fades fast, and then you want more. Jason says that's the ego at work. It lives in the past or the future and wants to collect something it doesn't have yet. He compares it to winning a basketball championship. You party for a few nights, go to Vegas, have the parade, and then it's "Okay, now what?"
I know that loop. Years ago I had an app, and we went on a Dragon's Den spin-off show and got a deal. The moment it ended, my first thought was "Cool, what's next?" For stretches of my life I didn't want to celebrate anything, because I knew the high would come with a low on the back end.
It's like you're running up a flight of stairs, but each stair is progressively taller than the next stair.
Jason worked out that he'd been chasing a feeling the whole time, and the things he collected were just a way to get it. I ask the people I coach where it ends. The first 10 things they say they want usually aren't what they want.
What does it mean to feel it first?
Feeling it first means you start your day in the feeling you want, like joy, freedom or love, before you have the thing you think will bring it. Jason noticed those feelings showed up during breathwork and meditation. So he didn't have to go and collect anything to feel them.
One of his coaches, Matthew Patty, put it this way: "Your energy precedes you." Jason runs his life the other way around now. Most of us say we'll believe it when we see it. He says that when he believes it, he sees it.
He uses memory to get there. Take a past win, like my Dragon's Den deal, go back to that memory and feel it now. Then start each day in that feeling and send it ahead of you. He says that when he lives from that feeling, the person he needs shows up and the joy comes much faster in his business. He calls it taking the rocket ship, and he compares the old way to a slog up the stairs.
So you be it before you see it. And as you be it, it keeps showing up.
How does breathwork help you hear your intuition?
Breathwork gets your thinking brain out of the way so other ideas can come in. Jason gives business people a picture for it. Imagine a board meeting with great board members. They take you out of the room and keep working to move your business forward. That's how breathwork felt to him. His busy thoughts got pushed aside, and wisdom came in.
When he followed what came through, things moved faster and lined up in ways he didn't expect. Now, whenever he feels stuck or feels friction, he goes back to the breath. He calls it the most accessible cheat code he's found.
He likes the longer style that Jen Mansell teaches, where you go into another state. He finds it powerful, very accessible and safe. He thinks the Wim Hof style is useful for your body, and he uses the longer kind to tap into wisdom.
What's an easy first step if you're skeptical?
Pick one simple practice and try it. Jason believes all bridges inward are valid. His favorites are breathwork and sound healing. Meditation, a Joe Dispenza training, listening to frequencies and ecstatic dance all count too.
He thought ecstatic dance was dumb at first. Everyone dances around, mostly with their eyes closed. Then he tried it and loved it. Once he let go of worrying about how he looked, he went into a different state.
Sound baths work for me. I pick three stories or places in my life I want to visit, and I watch them like a movie while the sound bath plays. If you're on a tight budget, you can find these on Insight Timer and listen for free.
Jason's own first step was plant medicine. He also knows how this sounds. For years he couldn't hear the people who talked about it, because it seemed too woo-woo to him. So his advice is to look at all the bridges and find yours.
Why does community matter for inner work?
Jason thinks getting into a community is the most important first step. People who are already doing the inner work can be the bridge for you. And once you go deeper, he says you're meant to turn around and light the way for the next person.
He's in a mastermind with Aubrey Marcus, and he suggests Aubrey's podcast as a good bridge. Many of the guests had big success first and then went inward.
Jason is also building a place for this. It's called First Place, and he describes it as something like Soho House for people who want to try these practices together. He points out that our cities are built around banks, telcos and insurance companies, and he wants a new kind of gathering place for inner work. He knows thousands of great people in Toronto, and he still asks where they'd go for a sound healing or an ecstatic dance.
How do you use what your intuition tells you?
Act on it in your everyday life. Jason has seen that many of the masterminds and spiritual groups he's visited don't do much with what they learn. He shared a line he's heard from teachers he follows: when you get the message, hang up the phone. The point of any practice is to take the message and use it.
I think all of this is irrelevant if you don't integrate the messages.
If you don't apply what you learn, you keep running the same loops you've run for decades. Jason says he ran his for five decades. He was 50 when we recorded this.
He tried living fully on the spiritual side for a while. He wore the robes and grew the big beard, then came back because everyday life is where he feels most fulfilled. Now he coaches 13 CEOs who have wins on the board but find the good feeling doesn't last. He helps them change how they keep score.
What can you do this week?
- Write down any idea or person that pops into your head, and act on one of them.
- Try one longer breathwork session, and journal what comes up right after.
- Pick a past win, go back to that memory, and notice how it felt.
- Start each morning in that feeling, and watch what shows up.
- Try a free sound healing on Insight Timer, or go to an ecstatic dance.
- Find one group already doing inner work, and share what you're learning with them.
For my own story of leaving a comfortable job to build a business, read how I quit my comfortable job.
Episode chapters and transcript
Chapters 14
- Meet Jason Brown and the nudges
- The breathwork session where it started
- Acting on the downloads
- Why the intellect keeps chasing more
- Your energy goes ahead of you
- A Dragon's Den high and the taller stairs
- Be it before you see it
- A first step for skeptics
- All bridges are valid
- When you get the message, hang up the phone
- Sound baths and free places to start
- Who Jason coaches, and First Place
- A new kind of gathering place
- Where to find Jason
Full transcript 33:29
From the YouTube captions, lightly cleaned for punctuation and filler words. Timestamps open that moment in the video.
Meet Jason Brown and the nudges
Mike: Today I'm speaking with Jason Brown from the Misfit Collective. For context to the listeners and viewers, I met Jason last summer through a mutual friend. We went on a bike ride and a walk, which was terrifying for me because I still have a hard time on bikes because of an accident I was involved in. But just as we moved throughout the city down the boardwalk, we got talking about life, spirituality, business, and he said something to me about following nudges, which and in the moment sounded kind of quirky, kind of odd, but the more I thought about it and the more I observed his content and stuff, the more it's actually really connected and resonated in my life.
And so I wanted to share some of his experience so other people can understand what that means and how you can deploy it in your own life. So Jason, love you to introduce yourself and then we'll dive in.
Jason: Awesome. Mike, love being here. That was a fun walk because it was great to connect through Curran who I met through following the nudges and watching his transformation too and then getting introduced to you and hearing about all your worldwide travels and getting pulled to all these different locations. I was like, that's what it sounds like following the nudges. And so something I've been doing for many years now, but really gone deep the last two years is honoring those whispers, those omens.
If you ever read The Alchemist, they talk about these omens that you get the downloads that you get. A lot of people will get it when they wake up in the morning or some little whisper will come through them or something that wants to express. For me, what I started to realize is the more I did plant medicine, the more I did inner work, the louder these nudges got to the point where quite often each day I can actually feel it in my body when the answer is clear or where to go or who to talk to or I'll be thinking of someone and they'll just show up.
Some cultures call it synchronicities, some call it getting lucky, some call it random, some call it omens. I call them the nudges. It's tapping into that and surrendering to that a bit more each day to the point where I now live there full-time. Now, I've been teaching other people how to tap into that. Even meeting up with you and Curran was one of those moments. Curran texted me, hey, I'm rolling out with Mike.
Do you want to drop in? And to even just drop in with you for a couple hours there was super profound because it was clear that we were connected on this worldwide adventure that we've been on. It seems like you're like me every few months.
Mike: Well, for me, it's every few days. It seems like I'm somewhere else.
Jason: Love that.
The breathwork session where it started
Mike: So, before we dive into the practicum and how we define this thing, do you have a specific recollection of when you first had this moment, whether it was an epiphany or an awakening to this like, wait, oh, I'm recognizing this as a defined thing where I can now actually go back and think through other times where this has been there, but now I actually understand what it is. What was that moment? What was that experience for you?
Jason: It was actually with Curran. I was at a breathwork session with him and it was during an hour-long breathwork with this amazing practitioner named Jen Mansell. And when you do breathwork like this for an hour, I was stunned at what was happening to my body. I was getting a lot of energetic releases. My body was moving with energy. At the same time, I was getting new wisdom.
Ideas were unlocked and problems in my life and just like this massive clarity. I was like, "Wow." And I remember I did breathwork twice and the second time was at Curran's event and he would give us Post-it notes to write down the downloads and I still have those Post-it notes. One of the things that I wrote down was like welcome back to myself where it was like hey you've been waiting for this moment and then you've recognized your whole life there's been these whispers and it's these things that we all get right.
It's like that little that's why I call them nudges. It's like that little nudge. Maybe you get in the shower. Maybe you get it when you're on a bike ride. Maybe you get when you're walking. And for me to have all those flood in through breathwork, it was so profound. And the answers it gave me in my life immediately were better than anything intellectually I've been coming up with for weeks.
Acting on the downloads
Jason: And so what I started doing was applying that wisdom not full-time because I was still like cautious of it. I still didn't believe it fully. But what I started realizing was the downloads I would get, that's why they encourage you to journal after breathwork is I started putting them into practice. And the more I did that, things started to accelerate. And I was like, "Wow, this wisdom is on a different trajectory timeline than my intellectual thinking." And so when I would follow them, things would just fall into place.
So luck started to happen more. I started to run in more randomness. And welcome to downtown Toronto. I'm currently in the park, so I hope everyone enjoys all the epic noises and people walking by. Well, what would happen is I would record from the download I got and then uncanny things would happen. Someone would come into my consciousness while I was in breathwork and then I would see them sometimes within minutes or hours after leaving breathwork or they would just randomly call me and I started to realize this isn't random and that the synchronicities are there if you tap into it.
And what that did is it let me go deeper and just build up that confidence that hey, there's this whole other realm that I'm not using. And I started to experience life differently. And the big aha was I've been living intellectually, consuming knowledge, looking for life hacks, doing biohacking, right? Going to every mastermind I could go to. But this was experiential. And it was that moment of moving out of my head and realizing I was moving into my body, which I now understand is moving into like a heart frequency and like letting that wisdom combine with my intellectual wisdom.
And then my whole experience of the world started to shift and it was like I could tap into the field and it really helped with breathwork because it got my brain out of the way. I've told some business people before to kind of have this concept because most of us most of them are like, "Yeah, dude. I'm totally not doing that. But I'll be like, imagine holding a board meeting with epic board members and then they take you out of the room, but they help propel your business.
That's what it was like going into breathwork in me. It was like all my intellectual thoughts got pushed aside and then all this beautiful wisdom came in and when I followed it, everything got faster and more aligned at a pace that I never expected before and didn't experience. And so it was really it was breathwork that kicked it off and I now do that all the time.
So every time I feel stuck it's like go back to the breath because there's like wisdom waiting for you there. And so when I feel friction now it's like okay go back to that modality is the one that's I found to be the most accessible cheat code that I found.
Why the intellect keeps chasing more
Mike: Yeah. Why is it sometimes that our intellect is the dumbest thing to follow? I actually think we can discard everything.
Jason: Exactly. So, as I've gone super deep into this and really gone more into the esoteric and the mystical and done my own inner work and again it's like it starts with the concept but then you have to experience it. So experiencing other realms in taking plant medicine like psilocybin or DMT or LSD working with plant medicine and shamans and professionals in that realm and surrendering more to that has brought in this wisdom that isn't ego-driven.
And so the way that I look at it is the intellectual pursuit is typically your ego who doesn't live in the present. Right? Your ego typically is dwelling on the past and wanting to change what happened or dwell on it. Or it's living in the future of it's like, "Hey, I'm not done yet. I need more." And I found with my ego and when I talk to others, it seems like our egos are always consuming.
It's like they want more. I want to accumulate something I don't have. My ego doesn't like living in the present. But when I would do breathwork or plant medicine, it would put me into the present and I would get all this beautiful wisdom and I was wasn't trying to accumulate anything. It was like giving me wisdom that I could feel. And so what I found is like the intellectual isn't a feeling.
And the mystical that heart-centered frequency that you get through these modalities, it's like it's more of a feeling. And then what I realized is my ego is on the hunt for this feeling. It wants to experience this feeling. We think it's things that we want, but it's the experience and the feeling that the thing gets us. And it's what I realized is like I was in the intellectual pursuit of a feeling that can only be experienced.
And I was like, okay, well then the order of things is backward. Then it's like it's experiences I'm after. And I feel like when the experience that I'm after is ego-driven, once I get it, that feeling disappears pretty quickly. And then the ego is like, "Give me more. I want something even greater. I want to reproduce that feeling." And I realized I was in this ever like a never-ending cycle.
Like I would achieve these things and then I would experience for a little while. It's like in basketball. It's like you win the championship, you party for a few nights, you go to Vegas, you have the parade, and then it's like, "Okay, now what? We got to do it again. But when I switched it around and I would experience the feeling first through these other modalities, that's what stunned me.
I was like, wait a minute, these feelings are present when I do breathwork. They're present when I do meditation. They're present when I do plant medicine. That means I don't actually have to go accumulate it to feel it. I can actually feel it first. Right?
Your energy goes ahead of you
Jason: That's when the wisdom unlocked for me and I started studying some things like quantum consciousness and quantum energy and what the download was through one of my coaches, Matthew Patty. He put it all in place for me. He's like, "Yes, dude. Your energy precedes you." Meaning all these feelings that you're hunting with ego and intellectual wise, you can actually feel them first. And the more you feel them first, the more they'll show up.
And that's what helped me really understand what was happening to me through breathwork and plant medicine. When I got my brain out of the way, I was able to feel at a whole new level. And that taught me to feel first. And when you feel first, it keeps showing up. That's what that's why the synchronicities roll in and the serendipity and the luck and the like, wow, I was just feeling this and then the person that has that same resonance just seems to be standing there no matter what city I'm in.
Right? So if that makes sense. So, it's like it taught me how to flip my life around from that intellectual ego-driven accumulation goal every day. What am I going to crush? I got to get I got to get something. I got to get something to starting my day with be the something first and then enjoy the ride of what shows up.
A Dragon's Den high and the taller stairs
Mike: Yeah. No, that makes perfect sense. And I think myself included and a lot of people probably listening are like, "Yeah, we've done I've done this thing over the decade that I've owned my agency." Not to say that it's been a mega massive like company, but I've also like created freedom for myself. I've also provided for other people and employed people and I only work on the things that I like.
And there's a lot of freedom that comes with that. But equally, like anytime I've had a success, like I had this app back in the day and we went on Dragon's Den had a spin-off show and we went on and got a deal and I was like, "Oh my god, this has got to be so exciting." But the moment it ended, it was like, "Cool, what's next?" And I feel that all the time where like I'm not exper so I'm aiming to take these actions and do all this work to create this joy and then I achieve the joy but the joy is so fleeting.
It's so quick and so it passes us by and like I find for periods of my life like I didn't want to celebrate anything because I knew I would get this high and then this low on the back end and that low created this drive of like well now that you've done something at level three what does level four look like? What does level five look like?
What's the next the biggest? And sometimes I feel like you're just chasing. It's like you're running up a flight of stairs, but each stair is like progressively taller than the next stair. And you're a little bit stronger, but you're not so strong that you're automatically bumping to the next thing. And it is there is a question that I ask a lot of people I coach. It's like, where does that end?
Where like what is the what is the actual thing that you want? Because there's a lot of things that you're going to say. The first 10 things you're going to say are not actually what you want. They're the things you think you want because of whatever circumstance, but achieving those, like you said, is going to do that. So, I think there's a great appeal to, hey, that feeling, that energy is in you.
You don't have to work 80 hours a week. You don't have to grow your business to whatever to get there. Like, why don't you why don't you sample it first? And why don't you create the ability for yourself to live in that moment on command or through these practices? There's a huge appeal to that.
Be it before you see it
Jason: Yes. So even just listening to you like you mentioned like freedom and joy and it's like what that feels like now because you did it through accumulation before. So there's these feelings that we're trying to reproduce. And what I realized is I was running my life backwards. So it was constantly hey I will feel that when I get it right. So, another way to look at that is I will believe that or feel it when I see it.
So, when it shows up, I get the thing. What if you flipped your life around the other way and it's like when I believe it, I always see it. When I feel it first, I keep reexperiencing it. It will keep showing up. And so, it's flipping that around. Being it first, your energy precedes you. And what I realized was through these accumulation successes and failures, there's feelings I don't want to reproduce and there's feelings I totally want to reproduce.
But I also realized the memory recall of those moments is right there. It just sits under the surface. We can recall it and it's like, okay, so we only ever live right now. Like there is only ever now. So when you go get a memory, you're not going backwards through experiencing. You're pulling it off the shelf and experiencing it right now. And through plant medicine, I was able to rewire a whole bunch of experiences where now when I go get it off the shelf, I feel completely different about it.
And I was like, wait, that's alchemy. Like I changed the experience of my past and I'm actually only ever experiencing it right now. So I was like, wait a minute. That's I think that's one of the reasons like for example psilocybin is so powerful for people with deep trauma and PTSD. It's because it what happened to me is it completely rewired a whole bunch of trauma into me not only accepting it but seeing the beauty in it like immediately.
That's why it's so powerful. But it was rewiring my alchemy of my past. And then through some other coaching, especially with Matthew, who I do now, I do a lot of coaching with now and on kind of quantum consciousness, I started to realize, wait a minute, that also goes forward, so I can take my future now and experience it right now. Right. And that's where I think a lot of people screw up their manifestation or their vision board or whatever, their Pinterest things, right?
It's like what we think we want, like you said, those 10 things is actually a sensation. It's a feeling that you want to get from the accumulation. And what I realize is you can actually rewire your future and experience your future right now. Okay? So, if you grab that feeling you got from joy from doing that app when you guys won for a little while on Dragon's Den, you can go right to that memory, experience it now, sit into that feeling, and now you can use that feeling every day to send forward to be like, actually, that is what I'm looking to reproduce in all the projects I'm up to is to get to that feeling again.
Well, what happens if you actually start with that feeling and you start your day with embodying that feeling and you send that forward? What I've noticed when you do that, when you sit in that higher frequency where you've been in that, it's typically some sort of joy feeling, some sort of feeling of being free, some sort of feeling in love, not intellectual love, but that feeling that energetic feeling that could that we've all felt.
It's just like, what is that? Something else. And that's why I love the breathwork and the plant medicine because you feel so much of that. It's like this epic overwhelmingness that you can start your day with that feeling and send it ahead of you because your energy actually precedes you. And then instead of trying to accumulate it, you are it. And when you resonate from that frequency, it is uncanny how rapidly it will show up and reverberate back to you in all these other forms which can feel like, wow, I was in that frequency and then the exact person I needed showed up in my life.
Oh, I was in that frequency and I experienced that joy much more rapidly in my business. I didn't have to take the stairs. You brought up taking the stairs. So now I say this is how you take the rocket ship in your life, in your business is it starts with you. So you be it before you see it. And as you be it, it keeps showing up.
And that's like rocket fuel, not that slog of going up the stairs looking to accumulate it on the next plateau. I live that life for so long. But then when you switched it around, it's like that's what magically shows up. And I really feel like it is it's that alchemical magic that every I think religion has been trying to tell us, right? That it's inside us and when you go when you go first it shows up and it shows up and it shows up and that's the nudge.
A first step for skeptics
Mike: So love it. So what I'd love to understand so myself I'm a plant medicine believer. I work with an angel channeler. I work with a number of practitioners who would be considered woo-woo, but I've experienced healing like compared to nothing else. I haven't actually done plant medicine, but that's kind of in my near future. But what I'd love to do is like what's the 101 for someone who's listening or who's hearing and saying, "Okay, well, I don't know if I'm gonna go in the jungle and do ayahuasca.
I don't know if I'm all in on this, but this sounds appealing. Like the outcome of this sounds like, holy like I need some of that in my life. What are the like couple of things that someone who's maybe skeptical, who maybe is afraid of some of these concepts or some of these ideas, like what's something that someone can do to in the early stages to like get that buy in to be like, "Oh, I can now observe this thing slightly different." Like what are the small practices that someone who's super far outside of this who's like but I want that thing but like I need to dip my toe in the water.
Like what's that 101 for someone who just wants to like see the power of it, understand it a little bit without going to the deep end to start.
All bridges are valid
Jason: I love it. I believe all bridges and help you go more inward are valid. So for some people that is plant medicine. It might even be a certain type of [unclear]. For me, it was psilocybin. I was fortunate enough to jump in where I took a super high dose my very first time. It was over eight grams. Anyone listening and doing the research that is I don't even know if they have a word for it.
It's like super superhero dose. Now, I'm so thankful for that because it shot me into the other realm and I saw so many things and got so many downloads and rewired so much trauma so rapidly that I didn't need any more convincing. I was like, "Okay, how deep does the rabbit hole go?" In fact, I want to be the rabbit hole. I want to be the rabbit, right?
It's like that was it. But I also have had deeply profound moments through breathwork. And there's lots of different styles. I find ones like that Jen Mansell teaches where it's that longer where you're really going into another state. Not so much the biohacking Wim Hof style that's useful I think for your body big time but this is more to actually tap into some of that other wisdom.
I think that's super powerful and very accessible and so safe. So I encourage people to try that. But I also recognize there's lots of these things bubbling up. So I think all of this is irrelevant if you don't integrate the messages. And so I actually think getting into community first is the most important step to be around others that are already walking internally. Let them be the bridge for you.
And that's what I feel like is happening to us. It's like we're the bridge in ourselves to go deeper, but we're meant to turn around and light the way for others that can now hear us. So, I had heard about plant medicine for years and it's like I couldn't even hear those people because I was like it was too woo-woo for me until it wasn't right. And then I became the bridge and now I may see seem way too woo-woo to most people.
They're like what you're using nudges to live your life and you do breathwork all like yes because I can't go back and it's wonderful and it's a it's way better on this other side. So I'm in a mastermind with Aubrey Marcus. I would encourage your listeners to he's a great bridge to go listen to all his guests because they tend to come from very successful cultural back how we would deem success but then they've all gone inward.
So I find his podcast super helpful to me but I'm also in his mastermind and one of the things he talks about all the time is not only all bridges are valid but to actually put the messages into place. So integrate what you learned through any of these modalities and that modality might be breathwork. It might be meditation for you. It might be a Joe Dispenza training.
It might be plant medicine. One of the things I've been doing a lot is sound healing which I find super easy to access and helpful. Just like go to a sound healing or listen to some frequencies. Go to ecstatic dance. I never thought I would go to like wait a minute. We're going to listen to some awesome beats. We're all going to dance around by ourselves mostly with our eyes closed.
I was like, "That's dumb." And then I did it and I was like, "This is amazing." Because I entered in I entered into a different consciousness while dancing. And it's like you break through that your BS of like, "Oh, do I look cool? How ridiculous am I right now?" Right? And then you just let it go and then you go to this other state. So like things like ecstatic dance, sound healing, frequencies, breathwork, all those are so accessible, right? But the point is you're accessing it just for the experience. It's actually to receive the wisdom and apply the wisdom.
When you get the message, hang up the phone
Jason: So the thing that I've really noticed as I've traveled into all these masterminds and spiritual communities around the world is there's a lack of integration and some of the kind of cosmonauts those that have gone before us like Ram Dass like Alan Watts you might have heard some of these names they Andrew Weil he talks about this all the time. It's like when you get the message, hang up the phone.
Meaning integrate. So the whole reason to do any of these things is to practically integrate it into your life. And that's how I've switched my coaching now. It's where I'm teaching people how to actually practically apply this 5D woo-woo into your everyday so your 3D experience is way more fulfilling. And I think that's the point. It's like, what's the point of going into shadow work and dealing with the stuff that's blocking you from feeling fulfilled if you're not actually going to get to the other side and enjoy life and have more of what you said, that joy, that freedom, that love.
I think that's the point. And what I really encourage people that are new and want to start taking some steps inward, it really focus on what are those messages that you can now implement as you go deeper inward. That's really what it's all about. And there's so many different bridges to access yourself. But if you don't apply the new self, you're just going to be reinforcing the loops you've already been running for decades.
And for me, I was running them for five decades. I'm 50 now, right? So a long-winded answer, but to say look at all the bridges and find yours. For me, it's breathwork seems to be mine and sound healing. Those are my two faves outside of plant medicine. But the bigger wisdom is find a community to integrate with and support each other. And as you go deeper, go.
But don't forget to turn around and see who's going to follow in your steps now. And that those of us that have gone a little bit deeper, we already feel called to turn around and help the next group. And I got to tell you, I've been so stunned by who can hear me with messages like this and who can't in my life. And it's been a fun ride to see who pops in and who are the synchronistic nudges that show up and be like, "Hey man, can you lend a hand on this inner walk that I'm getting?" It's been super fun to see who shows up and who's ready.
Just like I was so stunned when it when I suddenly was ready for this path because I was totally not on that path at all. I was in accumulation mode for a very long time.
Sound baths and free places to start
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's that part of the story I think resonates cuz like someone who doesn't talk about that path first and then talks about this other side, there's this disconnect. There's this like okay well like you feel like galaxies away. But to hear like hey for five decades I was in this thing. I had this moment where I was like, "Oh, there might be this other way of looking at it." And that brought me down a rabbit hole and now I have this piece and this wisdom to share.
And like through my short period of time knowing you and just on that bike ride speaking with you, it was very clear that you are living on a very different frequency even from where I am. And I'm retuning like I've got a Reiki session with this girl who's amazing, the one who fixed my depression last week. Not fixed, but just like help me explore this crippling depression I was having.
And she's like, "Cool, let's go talk to it. Like, what does it look like? Where is it in your body? Let's approach it slowly. Let's bring this. Let's do this." And like within 30 minutes, I was like crying a bit and I was like, "Holy, I like super motivated to move again." And not to say that's a be all and end all fix, but as I'm moving toward these frequencies, it was I can tell that you're just living up here and like obviously there's work to sustain it and obviously there's moments of this and that like your life and the dynamics will change and there will be moments of whatever.
But I do get a real sense from you that the even with the ups and downs of the dips, there's still this like it's still up here and maybe it was like down here before. So like the dips exist but the main plateau is significantly higher and that's a beautiful thing to experience and something I'm actively working towards. So I think the people listening today got a real good sense of the validation and the credibility about the idea, but like seeing how it's developed in you is really powerful.
And I agree breathwork, breathwork and sound healing. Sound healing was like I got explained the science of it once and I was like, I'll buy in, but I actually can go into a fully like I can like leave my body during a sound healing. I can what I do a sound bath is I will actually pick three areas or three stories or places in my life where I actually want to go visit and I can go watch it like a movie like I'm on a hallucinogenic like I can go watch stuff in my life just through just while a sound bath is going on like I can go watch it and like interact with it and it's like never expected it but like was amazing surprise that came up.
So I agree those two are super powerful and it's very accessible. If you're listening saying, "I don't know where to start." I'll link up some the woman that you mentioned. But there's also like that also exists on Insight Timer. If you're on a shoestring budget, you just need, hey, I just want to experience it. You can go and listen to these things for free. So, they exist. They're out there. And so, I'll link some up in the show notes that I feel are relevant.
Who Jason coaches, and First Place
Mike: Dude, thank you so much for coming on and sharing this. So, if someone's listening and they're like, "Okay, I'm all in. I need more Jason in my life. Who are the people that you work with primarily and where can they find that?
Jason: Yeah. So, right now I am coaching 13 different CEOs, right? So, looking for leaders, people that have put wins on the board in their life, but they're recognizing that they too have a drum beat like I did where it's like I've fulfilled a lot, but that fulfillment doesn't sustain. And they recognize that there's something missing and that's the inner path. So helping those that have already got some wins on the board unlock that inner place to bring more of that joy and freedom and new level of success, a new way of keeping score in their life.
So really helping people change how they're keeping score and really changing how they're living, switching into that I'm going to be it before I see it versus that accumulation life that we all live. So that and then the second thing now that we're building is First Place which is going to be like Soho House but a place together to experiencing these modalities with people that are on all different levels of this experience and bringing that woo-woo nature into a lot more practicality.
Right? So like I'm back in Toronto right now and it's like, yeah, I know thousands of epic people here, but it's like, where do we congregate? Where can I go and have some sound healing? Where can I go and get some ecstatic dance? Where can I go in the coffee shop has the people I want to roll with that are on that frequency? So that as we go deeper, others can also access our depth so they can then experience it for themselves and move from that intellectual life to the experiential life and then turn around and help who they're meant to help.
A new kind of gathering place
Jason: And I feel like we need to create this new style of temple. When you look around at cities, you can see what we celebrate, right? You just walked downtown Toronto. It's all the banks, right? All the telcos, all the insurance companies. That's what we've celebrated as the idol. And I feel like we need a new style of gathering place and temple to go and honor this inner work and have fun with it and recognize that what really is happening is there's a feminine energy, not biology, but a feminine energy, the mystical that's rising in all of us.
Even those entrepreneurs that we're in that warrior mode of crushing it, crushing it, and we're like, hey, what's this happening? Why am I into this now? And it's bringing both of those sides into balance for each of us because that's how we actually heal ourselves in the planet. It's that higher level of consciousness that we practically apply here in the 3D. I tried the 5D and I've gone offline for a while and went deep wear the robes, grew the crazy beard and I was like, "Okay, this is fun, but I need to get back to the 3D." And really, that's where you can that's where I feel the most fulfilled.
And so, it's that it's like where can we gather and experience these 5D modalities, unlock, get the cheat codes, get the downloads, and apply them together so we all rise together in this new way. I think bubbling up for a lot of us. And I feel one of my missions is help make that more accessible. Especially for those like me that got caught up at really chasing life.
And it's like how about instead of chasing it, we emanate it and helping people figure out the cheat codes for that. That's my jam. That's what I'm working on. And we're now creating a place to actually congregate to do that together.
Where to find Jason
Mike: Awesome, dude. So you can find that at themisfitcollective.com. I'll link it in the show notes. Is there a platform or a place that if people want to get in touch, follow up, see what's going on, social, email list, like what's the best place to find and get in touch with you?
Jason: I'm on all the socials. I joined Threads yesterday if you want to hit me up there. Hilarious. I don't know if you guys tried that yet. So on Instagram and the Facebook platforms, you can get me at @16milestogo, which is a whole other podcast story about why it's named that. And then on Twitter, I'm @thejasonbrown. And I love DMs. I love hearing the stories. And if you're listening to this and you're like, "Man, that still sounds a little too woo-woo." That drum beat's there. Come talk to me. I will help you practically apply this, but you don't need to only wear the robes and grow the beard. Although an epic beard is fun, right?
Mike: Amen. You look like a wizard. How do you pass that up?
Jason: Yeah. But wizard mode is fun, but what's even more fun is like that freedom and joy and playfulness and recognizing like you can actually play that game here on this field and feel way more fulfilled throughout your day.
Mike: Brother, thank you so much. I'm in Toronto in a few weeks. Let's catch up.
Jason: Yeah, brother. Thanks, brother. Thank you.